Topic: Question for non believers

[Graybeard]

Here's a question I'm curious about how any non believers will explain. How did our moon get to where it is? Which btw, is perfect to keep the earth in balance concerning the tides, seasons, and rotation.

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[moondance27]

Of all the moons in the solar system, none has been studied more thoroughly than Earth's. Even from Earth, the Moon appears big enough to show detail through a telescope. Its highly cratered highlands stand in stark contrast to the darker, lightly cratered maria, created by giant impacts that took place during the era of heavy bombardment and subsequently filled with lava. The Moon ranks as the fifth largest satellite in the solar system and was born in what seems to be a unique process. Most of the large moons in the solar system were created in protoplanetary disks, dusty disks that surrounded the planets during their formation. The moons condensed out of these disks in much the same way as the planets condensed out of the solar nebula. But our Moon appears to have formed when an object the size of Mars gave a glancing blow to the proto-Earth, ejecting debris into orbit that eventually coalesced into the Moon.

http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=2220

It certainly wasn't placed there by an imaginary being.

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[Graybeard]

Of all the moons in the solar system, none has been studied more thoroughly than Earth's. Even from Earth, the Moon appears big enough to show detail through a telescope. Its highly cratered highlands stand in stark contrast to the darker, lightly cratered maria, created by giant impacts that took place during the era of heavy bombardment and subsequently filled with lava. The Moon ranks as the fifth largest satellite in the solar system and was born in what seems to be a unique process. Most of the large moons in the solar system were created in protoplanetary disks, dusty disks that surrounded the planets during their formation. The moons condensed out of these disks in much the same way as the planets condensed out of the solar nebula. But our Moon appears to have formed when an object the size of Mars gave a glancing blow to the proto-Earth, ejecting debris into orbit that eventually coalesced into the Moon.

http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=2220

It certainly wasn't placed there by an imaginary being.

The explanation from the astronomy page is nothing more than a weak way of saying they don't know. They also left out this problem with the impact thesis.

 "Unresolved questions regarding this theory concern the determination of the relative sizes of the proto-Earth and Theia and of how much material from these two bodies formed the Moon" This quote is from that fountain of knowledge so many of you like to use, Wilkepedia.

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[Right Conspiracy]

Of all the moons in the solar system, none has been studied more thoroughly than Earth's. Even from Earth, the Moon appears big enough to show detail through a telescope. Its highly cratered highlands stand in stark contrast to the darker, lightly cratered maria, created by giant impacts that took place during the era of heavy bombardment and subsequently filled with lava. The Moon ranks as the fifth largest satellite in the solar system and was born in what seems to be a unique process. Most of the large moons in the solar system were created in protoplanetary disks, dusty disks that surrounded the planets during their formation. The moons condensed out of these disks in much the same way as the planets condensed out of the solar nebula. But our Moon appears to have formed when an object the size of Mars gave a glancing blow to the proto-Earth, ejecting debris into orbit that eventually coalesced into the Moon.

http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=2220

It certainly wasn't placed there by an imaginary being.

Moon:

We agree, on the fact that the moon was not put in place by an imaginary being.  It was placed there by the sovereign God of the universe,who is responsible for all creation.

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[TheVinylVillager]

http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/qa_earth.html

Theres a start perhaps.

Now, is your question just stirring the pot or does it reveal an underlying ignorance of science, astronomy, etc?

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[pobaby]

Some of us are religious, some aren't, some haven't thought much about it or made up their minds. However, you rarely see a strongly religious person excepting the occasional zealot and Muslim fundamentalists, ridiculing (or killing) others that don't share their convictions. I used to enjoy Bill Mahr when he did the "politically Correct" show, some years back. He used to be funny. Now he has become particularly obnoxious with his "comedy" about how stupid religious people are. In contrast to his own enlightened self.
Why does he feel it is his place to ridicule others, which includes the entire history of humanity and a great majority of those living today. He must have a mighty ego to feel so convinced that he is the authority on this. Lucky for him he lives in a country that endorses free speech. Maybe he will make a few bucks with his stupid movie.

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[Tattoo Vampire]

Some of us are religious, some aren't, some haven't thought much about it or made up their minds. However, you rarely see a strongly religious person excepting the occasional zealot and Muslim fundamentalists, ridiculing (or killing) others that don't share their convictions. I used to enjoy Bill Mahr when he did the "politically Correct" show, some years back. He used to be funny. Now he has become particularly obnoxious with his "comedy" about how stupid religious people are. In contrast to his own enlightened self.
Why does he feel it is his place to ridicule others, which includes the entire history of humanity and a great majority of those living today. He must have a mighty ego to feel so convinced that he is the authority on this. Lucky for him he lives in a country that endorses free speech. Maybe he will make a few bucks with his stupid movie.

It's a pretty safe bet it won't play around here anywhere. I wouldn't go to see it if it did - as you said, he used to be a funny guy, but I can recall after the "Crocodile Hunter" was killed, Mahr wore a croc hunter costume to a Halloween party. It featured a stingray barb buried in his chest. Not funny.

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[Graybeard]

http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/qa_earth.html

Theres a start perhaps.

Now, is your question just stirring the pot or does it reveal an underlying ignorance of science, astronomy, etc?

Where does it say anything on that page about the moons origins?  What's with the ignorance crack? Where's plausible explanation for the moons origins? I posed the question because this is another of many questions that science has no real answer for. All the while some non believers enjoy making cracks implying the ignorance of people of faith. Yet they believe everything in our earth and galaxy came into existence, not just into existence, but with a perfect harmony among plants, animals, the earth moon relationship, the earth sun relationship, and on and on, all from a big bang? Many of these people are very smug about my ignorance for believing in a God I can't physically see here on earth, yet have no problem at all believing in a theory in which the odds are infinitesimal against everything just happened to work out hunky dory. 

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[TheVinylVillager]

http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/qa_earth.html

Theres a start perhaps.

Now, is your question just stirring the pot or does it reveal an underlying ignorance of science, astronomy, etc?

Where does it say anything on that page about the moons origins?  What's with the ignorance crack? Where's plausible explanation for the moons origins? I posed the question because this is another of many questions that science has no real answer for. All the while some non believers enjoy making cracks implying the ignorance of people of faith. Yet they believe everything in our earth and galaxy came into existence, not just into existence, but with a perfect harmony among plants, animals, the earth moon relationship, the earth sun relationship, and on and on, all from a big bang? Many of these people are very smug about my ignorance for believing in a God I can't physically see here on earth, yet have no problem at all believing in a theory in which the odds are infinitesimal against everything just happened to work out hunky dory. 

I dont feel any need to remediate you in astronomy and the physical sciences--they arent my area of expertise, and it wouldnt matter to you if they were. My question was not a crack at your faith--Im sure Ive said on this forum more than once that its well within the realm of possibility that some higher power created all we know using the processes we discover all the time. Sure, there are many questions science hasnt answered yet....but many that we have answered, and many that get answered every day. Just maybe because your God gave us a damned brain so we could figure it all out.
 
Just happened to work out hunky dory? That assumes that there was something planned to work in the first place doesnt it?

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[Graybeard]

Just happened to work out hunky dory? That assumes that there was something planned to work in the first place doesnt it?

Of course there's a plan, that's one of the tenets of Christianity. That's what I'm trying to say. I just can't believe everything happened by chance. There's way too many relationships in nature, the earth and moon are a good example, that are so intricate and with the end result being a perfect balance. As an earlier post stated I find it so funny that people have no qualms whatsoever believing it's all by chance, a chance so small we couldn't even begin to fathom the odds of happening, and on the other hand mock people of faith.

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[TheVinylVillager]

Just happened to work out hunky dory? That assumes that there was something planned to work in the first place doesnt it?

I just can't believe everything happened by chance.

why not? Just curious? Better yet...why is it outside the realm of possibility that God used all the processes we've discovered and studied and theorized to carry out a plan?
Someone said on this subject...that believing the big bang theory is like saying lightning hit a junkyard and created a space shuttle. It might not create a space shuttle, but it sure creates SOMETHING. A  big ole mess to most of us, but if you studied how the fragments blew apart, where they landed, etc. Im sure you could find some patterns and intricacies. (Don't believe me? listen to some art snob explain one of those modern paintings that looks like splatter.)




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[notatroll]

Just happened to work out hunky dory? That assumes that there was something planned to work in the first place doesnt it?

I just can't believe everything happened by chance.

why not? Just curious? Better yet...why is it outside the realm of possibility that God used all the processes we've discovered and studied and theorized to carry out a plan?
Someone said on this subject...that believing the big bang theory is like saying lightning hit a junkyard and created a space shuttle. It might not create a space shuttle, but it sure creates SOMETHING. A  big ole mess to most of us, but if you studied how the fragments blew apart, where they landed, etc. Im sure you could find some patterns and intricacies. (Don't believe me? listen to some art snob explain one of those modern paintings that looks like splatter.)

 Gryphon this goes back to my theory - science and the Bible can go hand in hand.  I think many would see that if they weren't to busy trying counteract each other.  IMHO

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[Locutus]

Here's a question I'm curious about how any non believers will explain. How did our moon get to where it is? Which btw, is perfect to keep the earth in balance concerning the tides, seasons, and rotation.

You must be aware of something I'm not.  Please explain exactly what the moon has to do with the earth's rotation, and its seasons. 

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[Graybeard]

You must be aware of something I'm not.  Please explain exactly what the moon has to do with the earth's rotation, and its seasons. 

The moon and the earth have a gravitational relationship. If there were no moon, the earth wouldn't have it's tilt from perpendicular and the rotation would have a wobbling effect. Without the tilt the seasons wouldn't be defined.

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[Tattoo Vampire]

The moon and the earth have a gravitational relationship. If there were no moon, the earth wouldn't have it's tilt from perpendicular and the rotation would have a wobbling effect. Without the tilt the seasons wouldn't be defined.

Axial tilt isn't unique to the Earth, though - other planets have a degree of axial tilt very close to that of Earth's without the influence of a large companion body: Mars, Saturn and Neptune.

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