Topic: How and Why Bob Jones University was founded

[Cookie Parker]

Similar to dominionism, it's based on hatred.

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/bju/fundam.htm

BJU has long promoted itself as a bastion of Bible Christianity. (BJU dubs itself "the 'Opportunity Place ... God's special place for you.' While the University has grown, our educational philosophy and religious beliefs have not changed. Bob Jones University is determined that no school shall excel it in the thoroughness of its scholastic work; and God helping it, in the thoroughness if its Christian training. We believe that 'whatever the Bible says is so.'") Many of its 34,000 graduates fill the pulpits of literally thousands of professing fundamental, evangelical, Bible-believing churches throughout the United States, or serve on the mission field around the world. However, due to the more worldly nature of the curriculum at BJU, the majority of those now earning undergraduate degrees shun the "ministerial professions" to go into the fields of business, education, law, medicine, music, speech, art, cinema, radio and television, and home economics. (To maintain the face of a "Christian" institution, BJU does require its undergraduate students to take at least one course per semester in the Department of Bible.)

Dr. Bob Jones III has frequently repeated the adage that BJU is a bastion of Bible Christianity/Fundamentalism. Now he apparently doesn't even like the term fundamentalist anymore. He recently wrote a brief column in the Spring 2002 issue of the BJU Review in which he calls upon Biblical fundamentalists to consider abandoning the term fundamentalist. He wrote: "The term is beginning to carry an onerous connotation with the world at large because of the media's penchant for lumping Christian Fundamentalists in the same heap as Islamic Fundamentalists." He added, "The term now carries overtones of radicalism and terrorism" and said it "evokes fear, suspicion, and other repulsive connotations in its current usage." Dr. Jones said he feels it is now time "to find an new label that will define us more positively and appropriately." It is sad that Jones not only proposed this move, but also provided inaccurate historical information as a basis for his proposal. We do not need a new label that will define us more "positively" or "appropriately." Jones says he prefers we take on the name "preservationist," but we ask: "Who would not claim to be a preservationist?" The liberals believe they are preserving their unorthodox beliefs that have been take and "perverted" by today's conservatives. (Source: March-April 2002, Foundation magazine, pp. 39 & 41.)

-  BJU claims that, "The student who comes to BJU can be certain that every aspect of University life has Jesus Christ at its center, and the Bible as its foundation." To the contrary, creeping neo-evangelicalism at BJU under its founder has become a compromising gallop under his grandson, thereby requiring any true fundamentalist to separate from Bob Jones University. Yet, to say anything against BJU and its practices often leads to severe personal attacks or stony silence from its defenders. The remainder of this report details the evidence of BJU's compromise with the world, all the while claiming to be fundamentalist separatists (or now merely, "Preservationists"):

Great stuff in here.  My stars, this is a cult...and a fundamentalist cult which rivals the Islamic cults in their indoctrination of its students....

Linkback: http://4seasonschat.com/index.php/topic,2842.msg48071.html#msg48071

[Cookie Parker]

How about it, RC?  Is this accurate stuff?

Linkback: http://4seasonschat.com/index.php/topic,2842.msg48072.html#msg48072

[Villian]

Similar to dominionism, it's based on hatred.

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/bju/fundam.htm

BJU has long promoted itself as a bastion of Bible Christianity. (BJU dubs itself "the 'Opportunity Place ... God's special place for you.' While the University has grown, our educational philosophy and religious beliefs have not changed. Bob Jones University is determined that no school shall excel it in the thoroughness of its scholastic work; and God helping it, in the thoroughness if its Christian training. We believe that 'whatever the Bible says is so.'") Many of its 34,000 graduates fill the pulpits of literally thousands of professing fundamental, evangelical, Bible-believing churches throughout the United States, or serve on the mission field around the world. However, due to the more worldly nature of the curriculum at BJU, the majority of those now earning undergraduate degrees shun the "ministerial professions" to go into the fields of business, education, law, medicine, music, speech, art, cinema, radio and television, and home economics. (To maintain the face of a "Christian" institution, BJU does require its undergraduate students to take at least one course per semester in the Department of Bible.)

Dr. Bob Jones III has frequently repeated the adage that BJU is a bastion of Bible Christianity/Fundamentalism. Now he apparently doesn't even like the term fundamentalist anymore. He recently wrote a brief column in the Spring 2002 issue of the BJU Review in which he calls upon Biblical fundamentalists to consider abandoning the term fundamentalist. He wrote: "The term is beginning to carry an onerous connotation with the world at large because of the media's penchant for lumping Christian Fundamentalists in the same heap as Islamic Fundamentalists." He added, "The term now carries overtones of radicalism and terrorism" and said it "evokes fear, suspicion, and other repulsive connotations in its current usage." Dr. Jones said he feels it is now time "to find an new label that will define us more positively and appropriately." It is sad that Jones not only proposed this move, but also provided inaccurate historical information as a basis for his proposal. We do not need a new label that will define us more "positively" or "appropriately." Jones says he prefers we take on the name "preservationist," but we ask: "Who would not claim to be a preservationist?" The liberals believe they are preserving their unorthodox beliefs that have been take and "perverted" by today's conservatives. (Source: March-April 2002, Foundation magazine, pp. 39 & 41.)

-  BJU claims that, "The student who comes to BJU can be certain that every aspect of University life has Jesus Christ at its center, and the Bible as its foundation." To the contrary, creeping neo-evangelicalism at BJU under its founder has become a compromising gallop under his grandson, thereby requiring any true fundamentalist to separate from Bob Jones University. Yet, to say anything against BJU and its practices often leads to severe personal attacks or stony silence from its defenders. The remainder of this report details the evidence of BJU's compromise with the world, all the while claiming to be fundamentalist separatists (or now merely, "Preservationists"):

Great stuff in here.  My stars, this is a cult...and a fundamentalist cult which rivals the Islamic cults in their indoctrination of its students....

Ditto Democrats, Yes? 

Linkback: http://4seasonschat.com/index.php/topic,2842.msg48079.html#msg48079

[Villian]

"Bob Jones University seeks to maintain high academic standards, an emphasis on culture, and a practical Christian philosophy that is both orthodox and fervent in its evangelistic spirit." I suspect BJU isn't particular interested in associating with fanatics either religiously or politically and would rather these groups continue to attend the Ivy League schools.

Linkback: http://4seasonschat.com/index.php/topic,2842.msg48080.html#msg48080

[tootallannie]

"Bob Jones University seeks to maintain high academic standards, an emphasis on culture, and a practical Christian philosophy that is both orthodox and fervent in its evangelistic spirit." I suspect BJU isn't particular interested in associating with fanatics either religiously or politically and would rather these groups continue to attend the Ivy League schools.
"

How bout the history of Harvard?

Harvard's founding in 1636 came in the form of an act of the colony's Great and General Court. Thomas Dudley signed the charter of Harvard College when he was Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony. By all accounts the chief impetus was to allow the mainly Cambridge educated Puritans on the Winthrop Fleet to provide training of their home-grown scholars and clergy so the Puritan colony would not need to rely on sending their sons to England's Oxford and Cambridge universities. Well-educated pastors were, "dreading," as a 1643 brochure put it, "to leave an illiterate Ministry to the Churches.  In its first year, seven of the original nine students left to fight in the English Civil War.

Harvard was also founded as a school to educate American Indians in order to train them as ministers among their tribes. Harvard's Charter of 1650 calls for "the education of the English and Indian youth of this Country in knowledge and godliness." Indeed, Harvard and missionaries to the local tribes were intricately connected. The first Bible to be printed in the entire North American continent was printed at Harvard in an Indian language, Massachusett. Termed the Eliot Bible since it was translated by John Eliot, this book was used to facilitate conversion of Indians, ideally by Harvard-educated Indians themselves. Harvard's first American Indian graduate, Caleb Cheeshahteaumuck from the Wampanoag tribe, was a member of the class of 1665.[20] Caleb and other students— English and American Indian alike— lived and studied in a dormitory known as the Indian College, which was founded in 1655 under then-President Charles Chauncy. In 1698 it was torn down owing to neglect. The bricks of the former Indian College were later used to build the first Stoughton Hall. Today a plaque on the SE side of Matthews Hall in Harvard Yard, the approximate site of the Indian College, commemorates the first American Indian students who lived and studied at Harvard University."



Linkback: http://4seasonschat.com/index.php/topic,2842.msg48084.html#msg48084

[Cookie Parker]

Sorry, Annie, your apple and oranges comparisons don't impress me....

Bob Jones University was founded on hatred philosophies...it's evident with RC's anti-catholic and blacks comments, as well as anti-poor...it's a fundamentalists place, where the Bible is literally interpreted around hatred.

There's no more Christian philosophy there than there is in a Satanist church in San Diego....although the Satanists are more upfront about it.

The mere fact the "political" correctness emphasis of Bob JOnes, it's attraction to bigots and racists like Bush and it's desire to rid it's "fundmentalism" name because it's associated with Islam are all characteristics of a dominionists....a political religion, not a Christian religion.

Linkback: http://4seasonschat.com/index.php/topic,2842.msg48087.html#msg48087

[moondance27]

"Bob Jones University seeks to maintain high academic standards, an emphasis on culture, and a practical Christian philosophy that is both orthodox and fervent in its evangelistic spirit." I suspect BJU isn't particular interested in associating with fanatics either religiously or politically and would rather these groups continue to attend the Ivy League schools.

Yea and they think all catholics are going to hell because they are a cult.  BJU is where RWC received his indoctrination. It's where he learned how to insult my entire family.

Linkback: http://4seasonschat.com/index.php/topic,2842.msg48090.html#msg48090

[moondance27]

"Bob Jones University seeks to maintain high academic standards, an emphasis on culture, and a practical Christian philosophy that is both orthodox and fervent in its evangelistic spirit." I suspect BJU isn't particular interested in associating with fanatics either religiously or politically and would rather these groups continue to attend the Ivy League schools.
"

How bout the history of Harvard?

Harvard's founding in 1636 came in the form of an act of the colony's Great and General Court. Thomas Dudley signed the charter of Harvard College when he was Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony. By all accounts the chief impetus was to allow the mainly Cambridge educated Puritans on the Winthrop Fleet to provide training of their home-grown scholars and clergy so the Puritan colony would not need to rely on sending their sons to England's Oxford and Cambridge universities. Well-educated pastors were, "dreading," as a 1643 brochure put it, "to leave an illiterate Ministry to the Churches.  In its first year, seven of the original nine students left to fight in the English Civil War.

Harvard was also founded as a school to educate American Indians in order to train them as ministers among their tribes. Harvard's Charter of 1650 calls for "the education of the English and Indian youth of this Country in knowledge and godliness." Indeed, Harvard and missionaries to the local tribes were intricately connected. The first Bible to be printed in the entire North American continent was printed at Harvard in an Indian language, Massachusett. Termed the Eliot Bible since it was translated by John Eliot, this book was used to facilitate conversion of Indians, ideally by Harvard-educated Indians themselves. Harvard's first American Indian graduate, Caleb Cheeshahteaumuck from the Wampanoag tribe, was a member of the class of 1665.[20] Caleb and other students— English and American Indian alike— lived and studied in a dormitory known as the Indian College, which was founded in 1655 under then-President Charles Chauncy. In 1698 it was torn down owing to neglect. The bricks of the former Indian College were later used to build the first Stoughton Hall. Today a plaque on the SE side of Matthews Hall in Harvard Yard, the approximate site of the Indian College, commemorates the first American Indian students who lived and studied at Harvard University."

They don't still follow those tenets and preach  and teach bigotry to this day that because someone worships differently than you they are a cult and going to hell.  RWC learned from BJU that catholics are cult members and are going to hell. 

Linkback: http://4seasonschat.com/index.php/topic,2842.msg48094.html#msg48094

[Cookie Parker]

Funny thing, Moon, is that BJU is a cult...formed on a legacy of bigotry and hatred with racism,it no more practices Christianity than the man in the Moon.  Annie tried to highlight the "good things", and yet totally ignored the fact that without a mandate from the federal government, BJU would STILL not allow blacks.  Their very interracial dating prohibition demonstrates their dominionism desire to control others....

What a pot RC is....BJU and its cultism is quite evident....as are the values of those who support it!!!

Linkback: http://4seasonschat.com/index.php/topic,2842.msg48096.html#msg48096

[moondance27]

Funny thing, Moon, is that BJU is a cult...formed on a legacy of bigotry and hatred with racism,it no more practices Christianity than the man in the Moon.  Annie tried to highlight the "good things", and yet totally ignored the fact that without a mandate from the federal government, BJU would STILL not allow blacks.  Their very interracial dating prohibition demonstrates their dominionism desire to control others....

What a pot RC is....BJU and its cultism is quite evident....as are the values of those who support it!!!

Exactly and they are still homophobic...because there has been no governtment mandate to accept homosexuals or allow them on the property.  Just because a federal mandate says you have to allow blacks....doesn't mean they have changed their way of thinking.  A federal mandate does not change persons beliefs.

Linkback: http://4seasonschat.com/index.php/topic,2842.msg48099.html#msg48099

[Cookie Parker]

And in the case of BJU, their teachings, either....


hate is hate...and cults are cults...and cults of hatred is what founded BJU



Linkback: http://4seasonschat.com/index.php/topic,2842.msg48107.html#msg48107

[TheVinylVillager]

I'd be remiss if I didnt point something out.
As skewed as that schools philosophy is....Ive known a lot of folks who went there, and perhaps surprisingly, they are all normal and dont seem to have let the institution sway them to that sort of thinking.

And, they have one of the most impressive collections of religious art in the world. (So Im told, they took one look at me when I tried to go visit the museum, said I looked like a Godless liberal and wouldnt let me pass... ) And they have a very talented music department. American Idol fans might remember the Jack Osborne looking guy who was sent to Hollywood the other night--he's a BJU grad.

(Not that I agree with much of anything that place stands for, but they arent totally without merit) Fair and balanced here folks, thats what we strive for. LOL

Linkback: http://4seasonschat.com/index.php/topic,2842.msg48145.html#msg48145

[Cookie Parker]

I'd be remiss if I didnt point something out.
As skewed as that schools philosophy is....Ive known a lot of folks who went there, and perhaps surprisingly, they are all normal and dont seem to have let the institution sway them to that sort of thinking.

And, they have one of the most impressive collections of religious art in the world. (So Im told, they took one look at me when I tried to go visit the museum, said I looked like a Godless liberal and wouldnt let me pass... ) And they have a very talented music department. American Idol fans might remember the Jack Osborne looking guy who was sent to Hollywood the other night--he's a BJU grad.

(Not that I agree with much of anything that place stands for, but they arent totally without merit) Fair and balanced here folks, thats what we strive for. LOL
[/quote

Fair enough....I mean even the Jews who survived the holocaust didn't come out wanting to kill all Germans and the Amish family whose children were killed wanted prayers to go out to the killers.....there are exceptions to every hate group that influences others......and now we know there are 6 from Bob Jones University

Linkback: http://4seasonschat.com/index.php/topic,2842.msg48148.html#msg48148

[TheVinylVillager]

Also, they have finally been accredited by someone...as of Novemeber.

Why on earth would anyone go to an unaccredited school?

Linkback: http://4seasonschat.com/index.php/topic,2842.msg48157.html#msg48157

[moondance27]

Also, they have finally been accredited by someone...as of Novemeber.

Why on earth would anyone go to an unaccredited school?

National college of business and Technology is credited...but most univ and colleges will not accept credits from their school.  There's always some agency out there willing to accredit a "school" for the right amount of money.  Doesn't mean it's worth a hill of beans.

Linkback: http://4seasonschat.com/index.php/topic,2842.msg48361.html#msg48361

[Tags:]

Tags: