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Re: Would you read?
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2007, 11:44:04 AM »
you probably are...but I still dont think he was callin you a troll.  :39:

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Re: Would you read?
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Re: Would you read?
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2007, 11:57:20 AM »
You are a hoot, Gryphon.  :roflmao:

And, no, notatroll, I wasn't calling you a troll.

Was simply saying that lots of people who wish to denigrate other religions lack the will or the persistence, or the intelligence to truly investigate the religion they attack.

I haven't ever seen you do that, IIRC.

Others have, though. Just to inflame. Trolling.

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Re: Would you read?
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2007, 11:59:31 AM »
Thank you Wolf.  I agree.  Many will not educate themselves and then only quote heresay to back their on prejudices. It is really sad.

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Re: Would you read?
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2007, 12:53:46 PM »
Heck they don't even know the history of their own religion, let alone that of others.

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Re: Would you read?
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2007, 03:03:44 PM »
My question is how can those who say no they would not read them, disagree with them?  How can you say the Catholics, Mormons are wrong if you have no clue what they believe?  How can argue/debate  with someone if you truly have no idea what their beliefs are?  If you are basing your beliefs on hearsay...well is hearsay always right?  So in turn should you not read these books to become better educated on their beliefs and trying to understand them?


While most religions use religious texts to identify themselves, it seems much of what individual religions are is the 'interpretation' of those texts. The theology and ideology combine regional customs and practices to create a religion apart from the actual text. All religions have sects that identify particular parts of common texts as most significant or insignificant in an effort to achieve a most favored status to their common god.

Reading the text can provide important insight to the historical creation of the religion but they don't always relate to the actual theology of the individual readers.

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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2007, 02:49:17 PM »
My question is how can those who say no they would not read them, disagree with them?  How can you say the Catholics, Mormons are wrong if you have no clue what they believe?  How can argue/debate  with someone if you truly have no idea what their beliefs are?  If you are basing your beliefs on hearsay...well is hearsay always right?  So in turn should you not read these books to become better educated on their beliefs and trying to understand them?


While most religions use religious texts to identify themselves, it seems much of what individual religions are is the 'interpretation' of those texts. The theology and ideology combine regional customs and practices to create a religion apart from the actual text. All religions have sects that identify particular parts of common texts as most significant or insignificant in an effort to achieve a most favored status to their common god.

Reading the text can provide important insight to the historical creation of the religion but they don't always relate to the actual theology of the individual readers.


You are so right!!!  Duh!!! 

Good insight...the traditions of a people are what is contained in the Old and New Testament...that's why literal translation is lost when it is attempted to be applied to a religion...it can't apply itself....

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Re: Would you read?
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2007, 03:30:22 PM »
No I wouldn't read them. I like based on true story types that don't have 1,000 pages.  *stars&

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Re: Would you read?
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2007, 01:33:32 PM »
Would you read the book of Satan?  The  Wicca beliefs?  The  Jehovah's witness Bible?  The Book or Mormon?  The Catholic Beliefs?  I could go on and on....But why or why not?


I would  probably not read a book entitled The book of Satan; However, Wicca was one of the first religions.  There may have been a time when they may have encounterd God just as all of the other religions did.  I know enough about them to know that some of their beliefs are valid.  They believe that evil travels in a circle.  I believe that.  They believe that "When the change the way you look at things, the things you look at change."  I'm not sure if they interpret that the same way that Dr. Dyer and I do, But I have tried it.  It works.  The witches were the first doctors, so to speak.  When doctors as we recognize them today began to practice, they didn't like the witches doing healing.  Witches have always been misunderstood.  They were tortured and killed when they were innocent.
No.  I do not believe in worshipping Satan.  Yes.  I have studied with Jehovah's witnesses and believe that they are closer to the truth than any other religion that I have investigated.  No.  I am not and never will be a Witness, because my studies passed them by.  I have studied with the Mormons enough to know what they believe.  I know a little about about Catholic beliefs, enough to know that they cannot be my beliefs.  I believe in listening to everyone and deciding for myself what part of their beliefs I can accept.

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« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2007, 03:01:18 PM »
Many years ago I started taping Joseph Campbell's teachings on TV about The Transition of Myth through time.  I have a number of these in my cassette library.  Tthey showed the similarity betweenthe Pagan religions and the Judeo-christain teachings. For a while I taped the sermons of Christian preachers and Zola Levitt.  I even watched the Jim Baker "shows".  When I was so discouraged that I was unable to pray,read the bible, or go to church, these people helped me get back to God because they were just entertaining enough and non-judgemental. I listened to all the fundamentalists, such as Jerry Fallwell.  I listened to David smith.  I can't remember the name of my favorite preacher, but he wrote "When Bad Things Happen To good People."   I still like Joyce Meyer.  I have worn out three Bibles.  My Bibles are heavily underlined and have notes in the margins. they are very worn, and sometimes have lost pages.  I  borrowed every book I could get from the Library.  i watch all the documentarys on TV by National Geographic and The History channel.  Besides a set of encyclopedias, I have in my tiny apartment "The Mystery Religions and Christianity"by Angus, "Story of the Bible World" by Keyes, "The Crusades" by Zoe Oldenbourg,"Civilization Past an Present"  Published by Scott, Foresman and Company,  "The Dead Sea Scrolls" by Wise,Abegg, and Cook, "The Atlas of Early Man" by Jacquetta Hawkes, "The Druids" by Ellis, "The Dead Sea Scrolls After Forty  Years" by Shanks, Vanderkam, McCarter, and Sanders.  I also read "The Dead Sea Scroll Conspiracy", but don't have a copy.  I have "The Arabs In History" by Lewis, " the Horizen Book of Lost Worlds" by the editors of Horizon Magazine,  Universal History of the World..Ancient Greece ( Golden Press), "Encyclopedia of the Gods" by Michael Jordan, "The Bible As History" by Keller, "The Missing Books of the Bible--Volumes I and II,  A"a History of God" by Karen Armstrong, "The Way of God" by Moshe Chaim Luzzatto ( Jewish.  A gift from a Rabbi that I studied with online.)  4 volume set--"what Life Was Like--on the banks of the Nile-Egypt 3050-30 BC;At the Dawn of Democracy- Classical Athens 525 -322 BC;  midieval Europe 1500 In the Age of Chivalry, When Rome Ruled The World--The roman Empire 100BC to AD 200, "Gibbon's The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire", "The Upanishads",  I did have "The bagavid Gita.".   Someone borrowed it and didn't bring it back.  I have Ron Hubbard's Dianetics.  I gave away a number of books that I had from different religious groups including some books by Mary Baker Eddy.  I just don't have room for everything.  I have studied with several Jewish groups online, including the Messianic groups.  I use all the reference books available online.  i have read many more books from the library and have two construction manual notebooks full of information pertaining to various topics. There was one book given to me by a professor friend called "The Voyage of the Hero."  It traced the traditions that we attribute to Jesus from achient Pagan practlices. 

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Re: Would you read?
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2007, 03:05:11 PM »
My question is how can those who say no they would not read them, disagree with them?  How can you say the Catholics, Mormons are wrong if you have no clue what they believe?  How can argue/debate  with someone if you truly have no idea what their beliefs are?  If you are basing your beliefs on hearsay...well is hearsay always right?  So in turn should you not read these books to become better educated on their beliefs and trying to understand them?



Why? Because it is simply easier to be a troll. No study (work) involved.

Elicits the desired response w/o the "drudgery" of having to actually learn.

  I have read many of these items and continue to read and study...however as always with any topic it is good to have others opinions.   If you are referring to the term "troll"  and sending that my way  ....read my signature line.  I have not claimed to be anything else. :39:


I know her.  I can vouch for her.  she is not a troll. 

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Re: Would you read?
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2007, 03:06:31 PM »
I know her.  I can vouch for her.  she IS a troll. 


(sorry, Suzi made me)

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